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Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

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    By Claudia_Reynoso | Sun, 2008-12-14 02:02

    Dumb question...

    How do we know whether certain Gonzalez families are "Hermosillo or "Rubalcaba, or...?"
    Is there a way to figure this out if a record does not specify? Are certain towns/villas presumed to be Gonzalez de xxx???

    Please respond if you have researched this. I'm trying to decipher my Gonzalez from Yahualica. Thanks.
    thanks.

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    Miguel Gutierr…

    16 years 7 months ago

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    Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

    Claudia, you do not assume until you see a birth, or marriage certificate with the name and only then can you add the same composed last name to the siblings or decendents or the following ancestors.

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    Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

    Dumb question...

    How do we know whether certain Gonzalez families are "Hermosillo or "Rubalcaba, or...?"
    Is there a way to figure this out if a record does not specify? Are certain towns/villas presumed to be Gonzalez de xxx???

    Please respond if you have researched this. I'm trying to decipher my Gonzalez from Yahualica. Thanks.
    thanks.

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    Claudia_Reynoso

    16 years 7 months ago

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    In reply to Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.) by Miguel Gutierr…

    Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

    Yes, Miguel, I figured that much...perhaps my question wasn't clear...

    From what I know, the "hermosillo" and "rubalcaba" denote a region in Spain, versus a compounded last name. Am I mistaken?

    I notice there are more Gonzales de Hermosillo in my area of interest. Just wondering if any other member here has done a deeper research on this. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "assume." And if I am incorrect about the region vs. compound - please let me know.

    Thanks.

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    mendezdetorres

    16 years 7 months ago

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    In reply to Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.) by Claudia_Reynoso

    Gonzalez (de Hermosillo,

    Hi Claudia, surnames are very complicated, I still have trouble understanding! What I do know
    compound and denote a region go hand in hand. Usually and typically most Spaniards had the typical
    patrónimico followed by a "de" then the city or place. But others had two places or two patrónimicos
    and others. Like Díaz y Ortiz or González de Hermosillo. Take Juan González de Hermosillo, when
    he traveled to New Spain. Look at his name. You can decode it. It means my name is Juan
    one of my ancestors (most likely in the 12th Century 1300-1400) was named Gonzalo who
    came from "el pueblo o villa de Hermosillo, España. Anytime last names ending in -OZ, IZ, EZ, -UEZ
    denote "son of". If I had a child in medieval Spain. It would be Martín Daniel. YES Daniel (my name)
    is his last name. Notice Daniel doesnt follow the rule -EZ, IZ, OZ or UEZ, this was the exception
    not all father names could follow the rule because it would sound weird. Imagine Martín Danieluez
    or Danieloz Danieliz just simply Daniel. Other examples are García, Denis, Franco. Hurtado is a different
    origin it means the man who was robbed. Like the Mendoza. Hurtado in Spain means él fue hurtado
    its much older Spanish but can still be heard in parts of Jalisco, Argentina but in Spain its very out of
    fashion simply le robaron will work. Robar and Hurtar are synonyms. This naming system lasted
    from the 800's-ca. 1350.) Each generation would have different last names but some followed our Spanish about giving the same last name to the daughter after their grandfather, hence all the Lorenza Ruiz de Esparzas existed. Somewhere around 1320-1350 the Spaniards chosed to keep the last name the currently
    had so if your last ancestor had González they decreed that from now on all my descendants will have my the last name of the grandfather and wont ever be changed any more (besides marriages and the naming after ancestors). It was seen as too Germanic and they wanted to create a stronger Kingdoms not sure how that was affected by names. By this time España was being dressed just like a Turkey but not quite
    ready to become our España we know today. There were only three crowns on the peninsula instead of the starting 12. (The knings knew how to marry to become bigger) Portugal, Castilla and Aragón. Through they were all related. Eventually 150 years later Isabella and Fernando would pay Colombus and created our existence in the New World. Hope this helps might be confusing. Saludos, Daniel Méndez del Camino
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    Gonzalez (de Hermosillo, de Rubalcaba, etc.)

    You can somewhat tell but not recommended look at the names they use and what place they're from. Itend to find Hermosillo in Jalos while Ruvalcabas I can find in San Juan de los Lagos and Nochistlán. -Daniel
    Also the marriages some families tened to marry other families than certain others. The Hermosillos were close to the Martín del Campo and Mendoza. Only examples I can come up with.
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