Hola a todos!
Pido información sobre las familias Acosta y Pedroza. Hay alguien en el grupo que tenga documentación adicional sobre la ascendencia de don Francisco De Acosta, y su esposa, doña Teresa De Pedroza. Es probable que se hayan casado en Aguascalientes.
Yo desciendo de esta pareja por sus hija María Micaela De Acosta, quien casó con José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo en Aguascalientes. Casaron el 16 de agosto de 1769.
Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769.
Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Hello Paige,
The marriage record of José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him
marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de María Teresa de Pedroza.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother
wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record,
información matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do
determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of José
Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find
the grandparents of Micaela.
Armando
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of
don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They
probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married José Tomás Muñoz
González De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on
August 16, 1769.
Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Hi Paige and Armando
I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this discussion because I have to be in homeroom shortly, Plus I also don’t know who the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
Doña Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents,
and I thought I’d mention I’ve asked about this couple before and never
received a response, so, I think you’re message worked, I’m just not sure
anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I think
many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo’s, but I
only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they were
new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven’t been able to. But, I also am pretty sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to Doña Theresa de
Pedroza. Armando is right, both the marriage and the Información Matrimonial for
Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña Michaela de Acosta y
Pedroza, list Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza as hija natural de Doña
Theresa de Pedroza. Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
Información Matrimonial: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-72890-91?cc=1502404&…
Only on the defunción dated 11 Jan 1793 is Doña Michaela de
Acosta listed as hija legítima de Don Francisco de Acosta y Doña Theresa de
Pedroza: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w… died two days earlier giving birth to her 11th child, Miguel
Julián Muñoz González de Hermosillo.
I believe the defunción is probably an error. Although, I
do believe she is the daughter of Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de
Pedroza. I just don’t think she is their legitimate daughter. I guess it’s
possible that they married sometime after the birth of Michaela, but, I don’t
think so and I don’t have a record of that. But, I have never found the baptism
of Michaela de Acosta, so I don’t know what clues may be on that record. But, I’m
sure that she would’ve probably been listed as Michaela de Pedroza on the
baptism. It wasn’t until the dowry and during her marriage that she began being listed as Michaela de
Acosta y Pedroza or just Michaela de Acosta.
The dowry and how to access the information is contained in
a list of dowries put together by George Fulton at this link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19373the dowry for Doña Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza and Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de
Hermosillo is dated 12-08-1769 and may have some information. I’ve seen it
before, but can’t seem to access the site on my new computer for some reason,
but, I don’t believe it has any specific information on her parents, or
anything really significant, but, I can’t recall.
I actually also descend from a Don Francisco de Acosta that
married one of the Fernández de Palos and from a Doña Theresa de Pedroza that
also married one of the Fernández de Palos each of them born in the 1720s which
would make them perfect candidates to be the parents of Michaela de Acosta born
in 1751, except for the fact that they were married to other people. I don’t
know what their relationship is to the Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa
de Pedroza that are the parents of Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, if any at all,
except that they have the same names and live in the same region and the same
timeframe.
I’m sure there may be some other clues out there regarding
the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza, but I’m not
sure what they are. There is a Don Ygnacio de Acosta who is Padrino at the
wedding of their daughter Doña Michaela de Acosta to Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González
de Hermosillo, that may be a clue, but I don’t know. Also, on the baptism of Michaela
de Acosta’s first child: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404… Padrino is a Don Joseph Antonio de Acosta, but, I think he may be a priest. On the baptism of at least three of the
children, the Madrina is Doña Petra de Pedroza, who, I think, may be the
daughter of Doña Juana de Acosta and Don Santiago de Pedroza, but, again, I’m
not sure what the relationship is between those Acosta and Pedroza’s may be to
Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza. Really, this was just a
long way of saying I have no idea who their parents are. I’ve been trying to
figure that out for well over a year. And, probably none of this information is
very helpful, but, I wanted to give you what I had on them.
Here is the links to the other baptisms I’ve found of the
other children of Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña Michaela
de Acosta y Pedroza, maybe it’ll help:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11679-132406-29?cc=1502404… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11127-149580-18?cc=1502404… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11810-118259-8?cc=1502404&…
Chris
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Hello Paige,
The marriage record of José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El
Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him
marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de María Teresa de Pedroza.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother
wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record,
información matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do
determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of José
Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find
the grandparents of Micaela.
Armando
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of
don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They
probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married José Tomás Muñoz
González De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on
August 16, 1769.
Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by DNA?
Alicia
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 8:01 AM, IChristopher
wrote:
> Hi Paige and Armando
> I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this discussion
> because I have to be in homeroom shortly, Plus I also don't know who the
> parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
> Doña Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents,
> and I thought I'd mention I've asked about this couple before and never
> received a response, so, I think you're message worked, I'm just not sure
> anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I
> think
> many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo's,
> but I
> only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they
> were
> new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven't been able to.
> But, I also am pretty sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to
> Doña Theresa de
> Pedroza. Armando is right, both the marriage and the Información
> Matrimonial for
> Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña Michaela de Acosta
> y
> Pedroza, list Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza as hija natural de Doña
> Theresa de Pedroza. Marriage:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> Información Matrimonial:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-72890-91?cc=1502404&…
> Only on the defunción dated 11 Jan 1793 is Doña Michaela de
> Acosta listed as hija legítima de Don Francisco de Acosta y Doña Theresa de
> Pedroza:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w… two days earlier giving birth to her 11th child, Miguel
> Julián Muñoz González de Hermosillo.
> I believe the defunción is probably an error. Although, I
> do believe she is the daughter of Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa
> de
> Pedroza. I just don't think she is their legitimate daughter. I guess it's
> possible that they married sometime after the birth of Michaela, but, I
> don't
> think so and I don't have a record of that. But, I have never found the
> baptism
> of Michaela de Acosta, so I don't know what clues may be on that record.
> But, I'm
> sure that she would've probably been listed as Michaela de Pedroza on the
> baptism. It wasn't until the dowry and during her marriage that she began
> being listed as Michaela de
> Acosta y Pedroza or just Michaela de Acosta.
> The dowry and how to access the information is contained in
> a list of dowries put together by George Fulton at this link:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19373the dowry for Doña Michaela
> de Acosta y Pedroza and Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de
> Hermosillo is dated 12-08-1769 and may have some information. I've seen it
> before, but can't seem to access the site on my new computer for some
> reason,
> but, I don't believe it has any specific information on her parents, or
> anything really significant, but, I can't recall.
> I actually also descend from a Don Francisco de Acosta that
> married one of the Fernández de Palos and from a Doña Theresa de Pedroza
> that
> also married one of the Fernández de Palos each of them born in the 1720s
> which
> would make them perfect candidates to be the parents of Michaela de Acosta
> born
> in 1751, except for the fact that they were married to other people. I
> don't
> know what their relationship is to the Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña
> Theresa
> de Pedroza that are the parents of Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, if any at
> all,
> except that they have the same names and live in the same region and the
> same
> timeframe.
> I'm sure there may be some other clues out there regarding
> the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza, but
> I'm not
> sure what they are. There is a Don Ygnacio de Acosta who is Padrino at the
> wedding of their daughter Doña Michaela de Acosta to Don Joseph Thomas
> Muñoz González
> de Hermosillo, that may be a clue, but I don't know. Also, on the baptism
> of Michaela
> de Acosta's first child:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404… is a Don Joseph Antonio de Acosta, but, I think he may be a priest.
> On the baptism of at least three of the
> children, the Madrina is Doña Petra de Pedroza, who, I think, may be the
> daughter of Doña Juana de Acosta and Don Santiago de Pedroza, but, again,
> I'm
> not sure what the relationship is between those Acosta and Pedroza's may
> be to
> Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza. Really, this was just
> a
> long way of saying I have no idea who their parents are. I've been trying
> to
> figure that out for well over a year. And, probably none of this
> information is
> very helpful, but, I wanted to give you what I had on them.
> Here is the links to the other baptisms I've found of the
> other children of Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña
> Michaela
> de Acosta y Pedroza, maybe it'll help:
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11679-132406-29?cc=1502404…
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11127-149580-18?cc=1502404…
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11810-118259-8?cc=1502404&…
> Chris
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
> Hello Paige,
>
> The marriage record of José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El
> Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him
> marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de María Teresa de Pedroza.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother
> wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record,
> información matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do
> determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
>
> You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of José
> Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find
> the grandparents of Micaela.
>
> Armando
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of
> don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They
> probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
>
> They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married José Tomás Muñoz
> González De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on
> August 16, 1769.
>
> Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Hi Alicia,
I descend from them on my mother's side, so I don't know whether it would solve the puzzle. Plus, I descend from the other Pedroza's and Acosta's on my father's side and I'm not familiar enough with DNA to know whether it would help or whether my other Acosta and Pedroza connections would just confuse the situation. Armando probably could better answer that question.
Chris
________________________________
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by DNA?
Alicia
________________________________
From: IChristopher
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Hi Paige and Armando
I actually don't have a lot of time to really get into this discussion because I have to be in homeroom shortly, Plus I also don’t know who the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or Doña Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I’d mention I’ve asked about this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you’re message worked, I’m just not sure anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I think many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo’s, but I only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they were new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven’t been able to. But, I also am pretty sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to Doña Theresa de Pedroza. Armando is right, both the marriage and the Información Matrimonial for Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña Michaela de
Acosta y Pedroza, list Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza as hija natural de Doña Theresa de Pedroza.
Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
Información Matrimonial: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-72890-91?cc=1502404&…
Only on the defunción dated 11 Jan 1793 is Doña Michaela de Acosta listed as hija legítima de Don Francisco de Acosta y Doña Theresa de Pedroza: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w…
she died two days earlier giving birth to her 11th child, Miguel Julián Muñoz González de Hermosillo.
I believe the defunción is probably an error. Although, I do believe she is the daughter of Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza. I just don’t think she is their legitimate daughter. I guess it’s
possible that they married sometime after the birth of Michaela, but, I don’t think so and I don’t have a record of that. But, I have never found the baptism of Michaela de Acosta, so I don’t know what clues may be on that record. But, I’m sure that she would’ve
probably been listed as Michaela de Pedroza on the baptism. It wasn’t until the dowry and during her marriage that she began being listed as Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza or just Michaela de Acosta. The dowry and how to access the information is contained in
a list of dowries put together by George Fulton at this link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19373
the dowry for Doña Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza and Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo is dated 12-08-1769 and may have some information. I’ve seen it before, but can’t seem to access the site on my new computer for some reason, but, I don’t believe it has any specific information on her parents, or anything really significant, but, I can’t recall.
I actually also descend from a Don Francisco de Acosta that married one of the Fernández de Palos and from a Doña Theresa de Pedroza that also married one of the Fernández de Palos each of them born in the 1720s which would make them perfect candidates to be the parents of Michaela de Acosta born in 1751, except for the fact that they were married to other people. I don’t know what their relationship is to the Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza that are the parents of Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, if any at all, except that they have the same names and live in the same region and the same timeframe.
I’m sure there may be some other clues out there regarding the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza, but I’m not sure what they are. There is a Don Ygnacio de Acosta who is Padrino at the wedding of their daughter Doña Michaela de Acosta to Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo, that may be a clue, but I don’t know. Also, on the baptism of Michaela de Acosta’s first child: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
the Padrino is a Don Joseph Antonio de Acosta, but, I think he may be a priest. On the baptism of at least three of the
children, the Madrina is Doña Petra de Pedroza, who, I think, may be the daughter of Doña Juana de
Acosta and Don Santiago de Pedroza, but, again, I’m not sure what the relationship is between those Acosta and Pedroza’s may be to
Don Francisco
de Acosta and Doña Theresa de Pedroza. Really, this was just a long way of saying I have no idea who their parents are. I’ve been trying to figure that out for well over a year. And, probably none of this information is very helpful, but, I wanted to give you what I had on them. Here is the links to the other baptisms I’ve found of the other children of Don Joseph Thomas Muñoz González de Hermosillo and Doña Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, maybe it’ll help:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
Chris
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Hello Paige,
The marriage record of José Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo at El
Sagrario,
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him
marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de María Teresa de Pedroza.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother
wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record,
información matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do
determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of José
Tomás Muñoz González De Hermosillo
and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find
the grandparents of Micaela.
Armando
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of
don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, doña Teresa De Pedroza. They
probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married José Tomás
Muñoz
González De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on
August 16, 1769.
Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Chris, there have been people that have been successful at triangulating on
ancestors that aren't from a direct paternal or maternal line using the
Family Finder autosomal DNA test at FamilyTreeDNA. Autosomal DNA is
inherited from multiple ancestors, not just those on the direct paternal or
maternal lines. Unfortunately there are no success stories for anyone in
our region, that I know of, that have identified a missing ancestor by
triangulating with autosomal DNA. This is because of missing documentation,
missing gedcoms, and too few participants. Due to that and since it seems
your ancestry does not include the missing ancestors on your direct
maternal or paternal side you are correct that DNA testing probably won't
help you in this specific case.
If you were to get Y-DNA and mtDNA tests you could possibly help others
identify ancestors since you seem to have well documented ancestry. There
have been multiple success stories of people with a brick wall in their
paternal line being able to identify their genetic ancestor even though the
surname is different due to a DNA match with others that have well
documented ancestry and match others of the same surname that have well
documented ancestry. Louis Jaime posted one example of that. Your
participation would also help others with Cuéllar ancestors find out what
haplogroup that line belongs to. We are trying to determine the Y-DNA
haplogroups of all of the surnames in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and
Jalisco in the Nueva Galicia DNA project and your participation, as well as
anyone else that has not done so, would be very much appreciated.
If you, or anyone else, is interested you can order tests and join the
Nueva Galicia DNA project at
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?&group=NuevaGaliciaDNA&vG…
For Y-DNA you can start off with a 12 marker test but in most cases that
isn't enough to focus in on closed matches so a Y-DNA37 marker test is
preferred. The mtDNA test is less likely to help but it could. With Family
Finder you could end up finding some genetic relatives through ancestors
that aren't only on the direct paternal or maternal line. Having both
parents tested is better if they are willing to do it. It will also tell
you your percentage of Indian ancestry. The other ancestries aren't correct
because the calculator is outdated, it's missing many tested populations,
and various other reasons. The same file can be used with other calculators
though.
Y-DNA results can be viewed publicly at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti…
mtDNA results can be viewed publicly at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti…
Armando
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM, IChristopher
wrote:
>
> Hi Alicia,
>
> I descend from them on my mother's side, so I don't know whether it would
> solve the puzzle. Plus, I descend from the other Pedroza's and Acosta's on
> my father's side and I'm not familiar enough with DNA to know whether it
> would help or whether my other Acosta and Pedroza connections would just
> confuse the situation. Armando probably could better answer that question.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
>
> Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
> lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by
> DNA?
>
> Alicia
>
>
Acosta y Pedroza
Armando,
Thanks for the information. I knew you'd have the answer. I hadn't really thought about taking the DNA test before, but, if it can help others, maybe I will. But, my dad died a long time ago though, so only I'd be able to take it. Regarding finding ancestor matches of a different surname, I do think that would be the case. I have seen a few instances on the Cuellar side where it seems they assumed that name over the actual paternal name. As an example Juan Crisostomo de Cuellar married Maria Raphaela del Refugio Alonso and gave the Cuellar name to his descendants, but as you can see from this baptism of one of his children https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-24706-50?cc=1874591&wc…
his fathers name is actually Perez and it's his mothers name that he uses. I'm aware of at least a few other surname changes too. Regarding, Indian ancestry, does it break it down among specific Indian groups like Caxcanes, Zacatecos, etc.?
Chris
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2014 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Chris, there have been people that have been successful at triangulating on
ancestors that aren't from a direct paternal or maternal line using the
Family Finder autosomal DNA test at FamilyTreeDNA. Autosomal DNA is
inherited from multiple ancestors, not just those on the direct paternal or
maternal lines. Unfortunately there are no success stories for anyone in
our region, that I know of, that have identified a missing ancestor by
triangulating with autosomal DNA. This is because of missing documentation,
missing gedcoms, and too few participants. Due to that and since it seems
your ancestry does not include the missing ancestors on your direct
maternal or paternal side you are correct that DNA testing probably won't
help you in this specific case.
If you were to get Y-DNA and mtDNA tests you could possibly help others
identify ancestors since you seem to have well documented ancestry. There
have been multiple success stories of people with a brick wall in their
paternal line being able to identify their genetic ancestor even though the
surname is different due to a DNA match with others that have well
documented ancestry and match others of the same surname that have well
documented ancestry. Louis Jaime posted one example of that. Your
participation would also help others with Cuéllar ancestors find out what
haplogroup that line belongs to. We are trying to determine the Y-DNA
haplogroups of all of the surnames in Aguascalientes, Zacatecas, and
Jalisco in the Nueva Galicia DNA project and your participation, as well as
anyone else that has not done so, would be very much appreciated.
If you, or anyone else, is interested you can order tests and join the
Nueva Galicia DNA project at
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?&group=NuevaGaliciaDNA&vG…
For Y-DNA you can start off with a 12 marker test but in most cases that
isn't enough to focus in on closed matches so a Y-DNA37 marker test is
preferred. The mtDNA test is less likely to help but it could. With Family
Finder you could end up finding some genetic relatives through ancestors
that aren't only on the direct paternal or maternal line. Having both
parents tested is better if they are willing to do it. It will also tell
you your percentage of Indian ancestry. The other ancestries aren't correct
because the calculator is outdated, it's missing many tested populations,
and various other reasons. The same file can be used with other calculators
though.
Y-DNA results can be viewed publicly at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti…
mtDNA results can be viewed publicly at
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/NuevaGaliciaDNA/default.aspx?secti…
Armando
On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:14 PM, IChristopher
wrote:
>
> Hi Alicia,
>
> I descend from them on my mother's side, so I don't know whether it would
> solve the puzzle. Plus, I descend from the other Pedroza's and Acosta's on
> my father's side and I'm not familiar enough with DNA to know whether it
> would help or whether my other Acosta and Pedroza connections would just
> confuse the situation. Armando probably could better answer that question.
>
> Chris
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
>
> Have any of you who believe you descend from this paternal and maternal
> lineage, ever considered taking dna tests to see if you're connected by
> DNA?
>
> Alicia
>
>
Acosta y Pedroza
Thanks Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Chris,
The example is one reason surnames change. There are also cases of hijos
naturales or hijos de padres no conocidos where the child is given a random
surname or that of the owner of the ranch, or the surname of the family
that raised the child.
Is the example you provided from your direct paternal line? If it is there
is a possibility you will match one of the people that have already tested
the Y-DNA line.
No, the Indian ancestry is not broken up into individual groups for our
region. The groups they tested and compare us against in any of the
calculators comes from the Human Genetic Diversity Project at the
University of Stanford by Li et al. and the populations are Maya, Pima,
Colombian, Karitiana, and Surui. Some of the autosomal SNP markers that we
carry are more common in Colombians than Mayans and some of us get labeled
as being part Colombian even though our Indian ancestors have always been
in Mexico. This means that some of our ancestors had descendants that went
south to Colombia and not the opposite. The same for Maya, we don't descend
from them, and for Pima except we probably descend from ancestors of the
Pima. This is where the calculators get the results wrong because the
database is limited and they don't take into consider ancient population
movements. The good thing is that initially that portion is just labeled
Native American by FTDNA and that initial part is correct with that general
label.
https://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=22#1039
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Diversity_Project
http://www.hagsc.org/hgdp/
Armando
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, IChristopher
wrote:
> Armando,
>
> Thanks for the information. I knew you'd have the answer. I hadn't really
> thought about taking the DNA test before, but, if it can help others, maybe
> I will. But, my dad died a long time ago though, so only I'd be able to
> take it. Regarding finding ancestor matches of a different surname, I do
> think that would be the case. I have seen a few instances on the Cuellar
> side where it seems they assumed that name over the actual paternal name.
> As an example Juan Crisostomo de Cuellar married Maria Raphaela del Refugio
> Alonso and gave the Cuellar name to his descendants, but as you can see
> from this baptism of one of his children
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-24706-50?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> his fathers name is actually Perez and it's his mothers name that he uses.
> I'm aware of at least a few other surname changes too. Regarding, Indian
> ancestry, does it break it down among specific Indian groups like Caxcanes,
> Zacatecos, etc.?
>
> Chris
>
Acosta y Pedroza
Hi Armando,
Yes, that is from my paternal side. It seems very interesting, especially learning about my Native American ancestry. I'll definitely read over all the material you provided.
Chris
________________________________
From: Armando
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Chris,
The example is one reason surnames change. There are also cases of hijos
naturales or hijos de padres no conocidos where the child is given a random
surname or that of the owner of the ranch, or the surname of the family
that raised the child.
Is the example you provided from your direct paternal line? If it is there
is a possibility you will match one of the people that have already tested
the Y-DNA line.
No, the Indian ancestry is not broken up into individual groups for our
region. The groups they tested and compare us against in any of the
calculators comes from the Human Genetic Diversity Project at the
University of Stanford by Li et al. and the populations are Maya, Pima,
Colombian, Karitiana, and Surui. Some of the autosomal SNP markers that we
carry are more common in Colombians than Mayans and some of us get labeled
as being part Colombian even though our Indian ancestors have always been
in Mexico. This means that some of our ancestors had descendants that went
south to Colombia and not the opposite. The same for Maya, we don't descend
from them, and for Pima except we probably descend from ancestors of the
Pima. This is where the calculators get the results wrong because the
database is limited and they don't take into consider ancient population
movements. The good thing is that initially that portion is just labeled
Native American by FTDNA and that initial part is correct with that general
label.
https://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=22#1039
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genome_Diversity_Project
http://www.hagsc.org/hgdp/
Armando
On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 8:22 PM, IChristopher
wrote:
> Armando,
>
> Thanks for the information. I knew you'd have the answer. I hadn't really
> thought about taking the DNA test before, but, if it can help others, maybe
> I will. But, my dad died a long time ago though, so only I'd be able to
> take it. Regarding finding ancestor matches of a different surname, I do
> think that would be the case. I have seen a few instances on the Cuellar
> side where it seems they assumed that name over the actual paternal name.
> As an example Juan Crisostomo de Cuellar married Maria Raphaela del Refugio
> Alonso and gave the Cuellar name to his descendants, but as you can see
> from this baptism of one of his children
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-24706-50?cc=1874591&wc…
>
> his fathers name is actually Perez and it's his mothers name that he uses.
> I'm aware of at least a few other surname changes too. Regarding, Indian
> ancestry, does it break it down among specific Indian groups like Caxcanes,
> Zacatecos, etc.?
>
> Chris
>
Acosta y Pedroza
Thank you both. I understand the dispensa process much better than I did a month ago and I believe those are located in the información matrimonial? But, are there clues in the basic marriage records on Family Search that would suggest there is a dispensa available? Are there specific clues to look for?
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
>
> Hi?Paige and Armando
> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
> Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I think many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo?s, but I only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they were new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven?t been able to. But, I also am pretty sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Armando is right, both the marriage and the Informaci?n Matrimonial for Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, list Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza as hija natural de Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> Informaci?n Matrimonial: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-72890-91?cc=1502404&…
> Only on the defunci?n dated 11 Jan 1793 is Do?a Michaela de
> Acosta listed as hija leg?tima de Don Francisco de Acosta y Do?a Theresa de
> Pedroza: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w…
> she died two days earlier giving birth to her 11th child, Miguel Juli?n Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo.
> I believe the defunci?n is probably an error. Although, I do believe she is the daughter of Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. I just don?t think she is their legitimate daughter. I guess it?s possible that they married sometime after the birth of Michaela, but, I don?t think so and I don?t have a record of that. But, I have never found the baptism of Michaela de Acosta, so I don?t know what clues may be on that record. But, I?m sure that she would?ve probably been listed as Michaela de Pedroza on the baptism. It wasn?t until the dowry and during her marriage that she began being listed as Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza or just Michaela de Acosta.
> The dowry and how to access the information is contained in a list of dowries put together by George Fulton at this link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19373
> the dowry for Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza and Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo is dated 12-08-1769 and may have some information. I?ve seen it before, but can?t seem to access the site on my new computer for some reason, but, I don?t believe it has any specific information on her parents, or anything really significant, but, I can?t recall.
> I actually also descend from a Don Francisco de Acosta that married one of the Fern?ndez de Palos and from a Do?a Theresa de Pedroza that also married one of the Fern?ndez de Palos each of them born in the 1720s which would make them perfect candidates to be the parents of Michaela de Acosta born in 1751, except for the fact that they were married to other people. I don?t know what their relationship is to the Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa
> de Pedroza that are the parents of Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, if any at all, except that they have the same names and live in the same region and the same timeframe.
> I?m sure there may be some other clues out there regarding the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza, but I?m not sure what they are. There is a Don Ygnacio de Acosta who is Padrino at the wedding of their daughter Do?a Michaela de Acosta to Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo, that may be a clue, but I don?t know. Also, on the baptism of Michaela de Acosta?s first child: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
> the Padrino is a Don Joseph Antonio de Acosta, but, I think he may be a priest. ?On the baptism of at least three of the children, the Madrina is Do?a Petra de Pedroza, who, I think, may be the
> daughter of Do?a Juana de Acosta and Don Santiago de Pedroza, but, again, I?m not sure what the relationship is between those Acosta and Pedroza?s may be to Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Really, this was just a long way of saying I have no idea who their parents are. I?ve been trying to figure that out for well over a year. And, probably none of this information is very helpful, but, I wanted to give you what I had on them.
> Here is the links to the other baptisms I?ve found of the other children of Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, maybe it?ll help:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11679-132406-29?cc=1502404… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11127-149580-18?cc=1502404… https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11810-118259-8?cc=1502404&…
> Chris
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
> Hello Paige,
>
> The marriage record of Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de Mar?a Teresa de Pedroza.
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> How do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record, informaci?n matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
>
> You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find the grandparents of Micaela.
>
> Armando
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, do?a Teresa De Pedroza. They probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
>
> They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married? Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769.
>
> Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
Hi Paige,
Yeah it will say on the marriage record whether a dispensa
is required. Here is an example from the Diaz de Leon/Carrillo marriage I was
just recently looking at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-26036-84?cc=1804458&wc…
You can see that the impediment here that requires a
dispensa is for third degree of consanguinity, which I think makes them second
cousins. It’s because of that blood relationship between them that they’re
required to request a dispensa from the Archbishop of Guadalajara to be allowed
to marry.
Also, since I last looked at the baptism of Doña Michaela de Acosta and Don Joseph Tomas Muñoz Gonzalez de Hermosillo’s children, I found two
more children, so I think they must’ve had about 13 children, although, I’m not
sure how many survived to be adults.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11662-71238-3?cc=1502404&w…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11772-45946-60?cc=1502404&…
Chris
________________________________
From: Paige Herrera
To: "research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
Thank you both. I understand the dispensa process much better than I did a month ago and I believe those are located in the información matrimonial? But, are there clues in the basic marriage records on Family Search that would suggest there is a dispensa available? Are there specific clues to look for?
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 08:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
>
> Hi?Paige and Armando
> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or
> Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information on who their parents might be. I think many people in the forum are connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo?s, but I only remember one other person mention this specific line before and they were new too. Hopefully, maybe you can find something I haven?t been able to. But, I also am pretty sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Armando is right, both the marriage and the Informaci?n Matrimonial for Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, list Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza as hija natural de Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Marriage: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> Informaci?n Matrimonial: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-72890-91?cc=1502404&…
> Only on the defunci?n dated 11 Jan 1793 is Do?a Michaela de
> Acosta listed as hija leg?tima de Don Francisco de Acosta y Do?a Theresa de
> Pedroza: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w…
> she died two days earlier giving birth to her 11th child, Miguel Juli?n Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo.
> I believe the defunci?n is probably an error. Although, I do believe she is the daughter of Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. I just don?t think she is their legitimate daughter. I guess it?s possible that they married sometime after the birth of Michaela, but, I don?t think so and I don?t have a record of that. But, I have never found the baptism of Michaela de Acosta, so I don?t know what clues may be on that record. But, I?m sure that she would?ve probably been listed as Michaela de Pedroza on the baptism. It wasn?t until the dowry and during her marriage that she began being listed as Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza or just Michaela de Acosta.
> The dowry and how to access the information is contained in a list of dowries put together by George Fulton at this link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19373
> the dowry for Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza and Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo is dated 12-08-1769 and may have some information. I?ve seen it before, but can?t seem to access the site on my new computer for some reason, but, I don?t believe it has any specific information on her parents, or anything really significant, but, I can?t recall.
> I actually also descend from a Don Francisco de Acosta that married one of the Fern?ndez de Palos and from a Do?a Theresa de Pedroza that also married one of the Fern?ndez de Palos each of them born in the 1720s which would make them perfect candidates to be the parents of Michaela de Acosta born in 1751, except for the fact that they were married to other people. I don?t know what their relationship is to the Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa
> de Pedroza that are the parents of Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, if any at all, except that they have the same names and live in the same region and the same timeframe.
> I?m sure there may be some other clues out there regarding the parents of Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza, but I?m not sure what they are. There is a Don Ygnacio de Acosta who is Padrino at the wedding of their daughter Do?a Michaela de Acosta to Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo, that may be a clue, but I don?t know. Also, on the baptism of Michaela de Acosta?s first child: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
> the Padrino is a Don Joseph Antonio de Acosta, but, I think he may be a priest. ?On the baptism of at least three of the children, the Madrina is Do?a Petra de Pedroza, who, I think, may be the
> daughter of Do?a Juana de Acosta and Don Santiago de Pedroza, but, again, I?m not sure what the relationship is between those Acosta and Pedroza?s may be to Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Really, this was just a long way of saying I have no idea who their parents are. I?ve been trying to figure that out for well over a year. And, probably none of this information is very helpful, but, I wanted to give you what I had on them.
> Here is the links to the other baptisms I?ve found of the other children of Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza, maybe it?ll help:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
> Chris
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
> Hello Paige,
>
> The marriage record of Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de Mar?a Teresa de Pedroza.
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> How do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record, informaci?n matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
>
> You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find the grandparents of Micaela.
>
> Armando
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, do?a Teresa De Pedroza. They probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
>
> They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married? Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769.
>
> Paige
Acosta y Pedroza
I was the other person related to Francisco Acosta and Teresa Pedrosa
through my 4xGGrandfather Nazario Ponce, the Grandson of Micaela Pedroza.
If someone finds out who there parents are please let me know.
Mia
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: IChristopher
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 8:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
>
> Hi?Paige and Armando
>
> I?actually don't have a lot of time to?really get into this discussion
> because I have to be?in homeroom shortly, Plus I?also don?t know who the
> parents of Don Francisco de Acosta or Do?a Theresa de Pedroza are, but they
> are my 7th great grandparents, and I thought I?d?mention I?ve asked about
> this couple before and never received a response, so, I think you?re
> message worked, I?m just not sure anyone in the group has any information
> on who their parents might be. I think many people in the forum are
> connected to the Gonzalez de Hermosillo?s, but I only remember one other
> person mention this specific line before and they were new too. Hopefully,
> maybe you can find something I haven?t been able to. But, I also am pretty
> sure Don Francisco de Acosta was never married to Do?a Theresa de Pedroza.
> Armando is right, both the marriage and the Informaci?n Matrimonial for Don
> Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Do?a Michaela de
> Acosta y Pedroza, list Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza as hija natural de
> Do?a Theresa de Pedroza.
>
> Marriage:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> Informaci?nMatrimonial:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12165-72890-91?cc=1502404&…
>
> Only on the defunci?n dated 11 Jan 1793 is Do?a Michaela de Acosta listed
> as hija leg?tima de Don Francisco de Acosta y Do?a Theresa de Pedroza:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11107-7567-81?cc=1502404&w…
>
> she died two days earlier giving birth to her 11th child, Miguel Juli?n
> Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo.
>
> I believe the defunci?n is probably an error. Although, I do believe she
> is the daughter of Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. I
> just don?t think she is their legitimate daughter. I guess it?s
> possible that they married sometime after the birth of Michaela, but, I
> don?t think so and I don?t have a record of that. But, I have never found
> the baptism of Michaela de Acosta, so I don?t know what clues may be on
> that record. But, I?m sure that she would?ve
> probably been listed as Michaela de Pedroza on the baptism. It wasn?t
> until the dowry and during her marriage that she began being listed as
> Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza or just Michaela de Acosta. The dowry and how
> to access the information is contained in
> a list of dowries put together by George Fulton at this link:
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19373
>
> the dowry for Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza and Don Joseph Thomas
> Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo is dated 12-08-1769 and may have some
> information. I?ve seen it before, but can?t seem to access the site on my
> new computer for some reason, but, I don?t believe it has any specific
> information on her parents, or anything really significant, but, I can?t
> recall.?
>
> I actually also descend from a Don Francisco de Acosta that married one of
> the Fern?ndez de Palos and from a Do?a Theresa de Pedroza that also married
> one of the Fern?ndez de Palos each of them born in the 1720s which would
> make them perfect candidates to be the parents of Michaela de Acosta born
> in 1751, except for the fact that they were married to other people. I
> don?t know what their relationship is to the Don Francisco de Acosta and
> Do?a Theresa de Pedroza that are the parents of Michaela de Acosta y
> Pedroza, if any at all, except that they have the same names and live in
> the same region and the same timeframe.
>
> I?m sure there may be some other clues out there regarding the parents of
> Don Francisco de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza, but I?m not sure what
> they are. There is a Don Ygnacio de Acosta who is Padrino at the wedding of
> their daughter Do?a Michaela de Acosta to Don Joseph Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez
> de Hermosillo, that may be a clue, but I don?t know. Also, on the baptism
> of Michaela de Acosta?s first child:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
>
> the Padrino is a Don Joseph Antonio de Acosta, but, I think he may be a
> priest. ?On the baptism of at least three of the
> children, the Madrina is Do?a Petra de Pedroza, who, I think, may be the
> daughter of Do?a Juana de
> Acosta and Don Santiago de Pedroza, but, again, I?m not sure what the
> relationship is between those Acosta and Pedroza?s may be to
> Don Francisco
> de Acosta and Do?a Theresa de Pedroza. Really, this was just a long way
> of saying I have no idea who their parents are. I?ve been trying to figure
> that out for well over a year. And, probably none of this information is
> very helpful, but, I wanted to give you what I had on them.? Here is the
> links to the other baptisms I?ve found of the other children of Don Joseph
> Thomas Mu?oz Gonz?lez de Hermosillo and Do?a Michaela de Acosta y Pedroza,
> maybe it?ll help:
>
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11864-154648-28?cc=1502404…
>
> Chris??????????
>
> ?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Armando
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acosta y Pedroza
> ?
> Hello Paige,
>
> The marriage record of Jos? Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo at El
> Sagrario,
> Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on August 16, 1769 shows him
> marrying Michaela de Pedroza hija natural de Mar?a Teresa de Pedroza.
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12126-33354-49?cc=1502404&…
> do you know that her father was Francisco de Acosta? Since the mother
> wasn't mentioned as being married there is probably not a marriage record,
> informaci?n matrimonial record, or dispensa that will allow you do
> determine the parents of either Francisco de Acosta or Teresa de Pedrosa.
>
> You might end up having to search for a dispensa of descendants of Jos?
> Tom?s Mu?oz Gonz?lez De Hermosillo
> and Micaela de Pedroza/Acosta to find
> the grandparents of Micaela.
>
> Armando
>
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm not sure my last message worked. I'm trying to locate the parents of
> don Francisco De Acosta, and his wife, do?a Teresa De Pedroza. They
> probably married around 1750 in Aguascalientes.
>
> They are the parents of Micaela De Acosta that married? Jos? Tom?s
> Mu?oz
> Gonz?lez De Hermosillo at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes on
> August 16, 1769.
>
> Paige