By Jaime Alvarado |

Can anyone confirm whether Joseph Dias Tiscareño married to Jacinta Ortega, is the son of Baltazar Diaz and Beatriz Tiscareño (daughter of Luis T. and Lorenza R.de E) born on May 24th 1663? Also, does anyone has additional information on Jacinta?

Jaime Alvarado

FamiliasJalos

16 years 4 months ago

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Hello,

Can anyone confirm whether Agapito De Aguayo married to Narciza De Loza, 21
May 1827 is the son of Candido De Aguayo

and Maria Luisa de San Ygnacio Gomez De Mendoza (daughter of Ygnacio Gomez
De Mendoza and Maria Antonia Valadez) born on 27 June 1792? Also, does
anyone have any additional information on the parents of Narciza (Luis De
Loza and Josefa Gamez)?

Looks Like they were married in Jalostotitlan or Temacapulin, Jal., Mexico

Thanks, Any help appreciated,

Jaime Gonzalez

To Jaime Gonzalez,
When posting a new research topic you need to create it with a new heading in NR site, otherwise your question may
never be answere as it may get lost in the thread belonging to the subject heading (in this case Joseph Diaz Tiscareno and Jacinta Ortega).

Jaime Alvarado

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From: "Rosa Gonzalez"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: "Jaime Gonzalez"
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 9:42:19 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Diaz Tiscareño and Jacinta Ortega

Hello,

Can anyone confirm whether Agapito De Aguayo married to Narciza De Loza, 21
May 1827 is the son of Candido De Aguayo

and Maria Luisa de San Ygnacio Gomez De Mendoza (daughter of Ygnacio Gomez
De Mendoza and Maria Antonia Valadez) born on 27 June 1792? Also, does
anyone have any additional information on the parents of Narciza (Luis De
Loza and Josefa Gamez)?

Looks Like they were married in Jalostotitlan or Temacapulin, Jal., Mexico

Thanks, Any help appreciated,

Jaime Gonzalez

I am related to José and Jacinta they are my 8th great grandparents. Here's the weird thing his children use Díaz y Tiscareño while he himself uses Díaz de Anda. There are only to cases where a Tiscareño marries a Díaz in early Aguas. Bálthazar Díaz and Beatriz Tiscareño de Molina, Antonio Díaz de Lomas and Luisa Tiscareño de Molina. Could these two be brothers? IDKAfter goinf thrhough my records, Im convinced they are Bálthazar and Beatriz I mean how else is Tiscareño going to be compounded. ALl of the kids for Antonio and Luisa use just Díaz de Lomas never Tiscareño at all. Ive only found one child for Beatriz, which is José. I think this the José who married Jacinta de Ortega. I had a long time suspicion that Jacinta was of the Moreno de Ortega,but now Im not sure about her. Further study is needed. I think we need to get a hold of the marriage info for José and Jacinta. -Daniel

Jaime Alvarado

16 years 4 months ago

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Daniel,
So it turns out we are related via another branch. My line comes from his son Bernardo Diaz Tiscareno and Manuela Flores de Robles. Regarding the two Diaz, It would be interesting to establish their relationship. Regarding Beatriz, I have not been able to find another child but Jose. An interesting note listed in Jose's christening is that he was very sick and in danger of dying, to the point that the priest gave him a special benediction "infanti pericolo mortis". It is quite amazing that our presence in this world was determined by the outcome of such fragile circumstances. Thank God he made it.

Jaime Alvarado

----- Original Message -----
From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 12:24:37 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hi Jaime

I am related to José and Jacinta they are my 8th great grandparents. Here's the weird thing his children use Díaz y Tiscareño while he himself uses Díaz de Anda. There are only to cases where a Tiscareño marries a Díaz in early Aguas. Bálthazar Díaz and Beatriz Tiscareño de Molina, Antonio Díaz de Lomas and Luisa Tiscareño de Molina. Could these two be brothers? IDKAfter goinf thrhough my records, Im convinced they are Bálthazar and Beatriz I mean how else is Tiscareño going to be compounded. ALl of the kids for Antonio and Luisa use just Díaz de Lomas never Tiscareño at all. Ive only found one child for Beatriz, which is José. I think this the José who married Jacinta de Ortega. I had a long time suspicion that Jacinta was of the Moreno de Ortega,but now Im not sure about her. Further study is needed. I think we need to get a hold of the marriage info for José and Jacinta. -Daniel

Its Daniel again, I found this

Bernardo Dias Tiscareno
Manuela Flores de la Torre
21 abr 1727 Aguas, Ags

are this the same as Bernardo Dias Tiscareno and Manuela
flores de Robles? -Daniel

Jaime Alvarado

16 years 4 months ago

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Daniel,
Yes, it should be "Flores de Robles" regardless that in the marriage record was transcribed as 'Flores de la Torre'. In the "Informacion Matrimonial" it is clearly spelled as Manuela Flores de Robles, daughter of Sebastian Flores de Robles and Apolonia Castaneda. I think the clerc got confused with the surname of the priest that was Flores de la Torre.
Manuela had at least one brother, Eusebio Flores de Robles who married Maria Dolores Vigil Joven, in Charcas, San Luis Potosi on 3 Dic 1753. Apolonia was daughter of Nicolas Castaneda and Antonia Vargas Machuca.

Jaime

----- Original Message -----
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To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 11:37:12 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jaime:

Its Daniel again, I found this

Bernardo Dias Tiscareno
Manuela Flores de la Torre
21 abr 1727 Aguas, Ags

are this the same as Bernardo Dias Tiscareno and Manuela
flores de Robles? -Daniel

Jaime Alvarado

15 years 6 months ago

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I am trying to find the names of the parents of Jasinta de Ortega married to Joseph Dias (Altamirano) Tiscareño on 12 FEB 1679 in Aguascalientes. Their parents are not listed in the marriage record, and unfortunately, I have not been able to find the marriage information in Pilot. However, Jasinta died on 10 March 1729 in Aguascalientes, and she wrote a last will. I wonder if someone could help me track that document (perhaps Paco) to see if her parents are listed in there.

Estoy tratando de encontrar los nombres de los padres de Jasinta de Ortega, casada con Joseph Dias (Altamirano) Tiscareño en Febrero 12 de 1679 en Aguascalientes. Los nombres de los padres no aparecen en el acta matrimonial, y desgraciadamente, no he podido localizar las imagenes de la 'informacion matrimonial' en Pilot. Ahora, Jasinta murio y testo el 10 de Marzo de 1729. Me pregunto si algun miembro del grupo (quiza Paco) me pudiera ayudar a localizar el testamento para ver si los padres fueron listados ahi.

Jaime,

Just like you, I have spent several hours trying to find out who Jacinta de
Ortega's parents were, but so far have been unable to find a reliable source
such as her final will or testament. After a careful analysis of other
families living in the area at the time, I came to the conclusion that her
parents were Juan de Estrada Bocanegra and Margarita de Ortega. Here is the
proof. The parents of Margarita de Ortega were Francisco Macías Valadez and
Jacinta de Ortega, grandmother of the Jacinta de Ortega who married Joseph
Díaz de Anda Altamirano. The timeline fits perfectly well and, as you know,
people in those days used to give their children the name of a beloved
grandparent or earlier ancestor.

Let me know what you think.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:43 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega

I am trying to find the names of the parents of Jasinta de Ortega married
to Joseph Dias (Altamirano) Tiscareño on 12 FEB 1679 in Aguascalientes.
Their parents are not listed in the marriage record, and unfortunately, I
have not been able to find the marriage information in Pilot. However,
Jasinta died on 10 March 1729 in Aguascalientes, and she wrote a last will.
I wonder if someone could help me track that document (perhaps Paco) to see
if her parents are listed in there.

Estoy tratando de encontrar los nombres de los padres de Jasinta de
Ortega, casada con Joseph Dias (Altamirano) Tiscareño en Febrero 12 de
1679 en Aguascalientes. Los nombres de los padres no aparecen en el acta
matrimonial, y desgraciadamente, no he podido localizar las imagenes de la
'informacion matrimonial' en Pilot. Ahora, Jasinta murio y testo el 10 de
Marzo de 1729. Me pregunto si algun miembro del grupo (quiza Paco) me
pudiera ayudar a localizar el testamento para ver si los padres fueron
listados ahi.

This only makes sense! In my notes I had listed Jacinta de Ortega II as Jacinta de Ortega y Estradaso she did appear sometimes as Estrada and/or Ortega. I was puzzled for while as to whowere her parents! Thanks Bill, BTW do you know who are the parents of this Juan Estrada-Bocanegra?IS is the same don Juan who married Teresa Carrillo de Sandi?
Regards,Daniel

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> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:06:25 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
> Jaime,
>
> Just like you, I have spent several hours trying to find out who Jacinta de
> Ortega's parents were, but so far have been unable to find a reliable source
> such as her final will or testament. After a careful analysis of other
> families living in the area at the time, I came to the conclusion that her
> parents were Juan de Estrada Bocanegra and Margarita de Ortega. Here is the
> proof. The parents of Margarita de Ortega were Francisco Macías Valadez and
> Jacinta de Ortega, grandmother of the Jacinta de Ortega who married Joseph
> Díaz de Anda Altamirano. The timeline fits perfectly well and, as you know,
> people in those days used to give their children the name of a beloved
> grandparent or earlier ancestor.
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:43 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
>
> I am trying to find the names of the parents of Jasinta de Ortega married
> to Joseph Dias (Altamirano) Tiscareño on 12 FEB 1679 in Aguascalientes.
> Their parents are not listed in the marriage record, and unfortunately, I
> have not been able to find the marriage information in Pilot. However,
> Jasinta died on 10 March 1729 in Aguascalientes, and she wrote a last will.
> I wonder if someone could help me track that document (perhaps Paco) to see
> if her parents are listed in there.
>
> Estoy tratando de encontrar los nombres de los padres de Jasinta de
> Ortega, casada con Joseph Dias (Altamirano) Tiscareño en Febrero 12 de
> 1679 en Aguascalientes. Los nombres de los padres no aparecen en el acta
> matrimonial, y desgraciadamente, no he podido localizar las imagenes de la
> 'informacion matrimonial' en Pilot. Ahora, Jasinta murio y testo el 10 de
> Marzo de 1729. Me pregunto si algun miembro del grupo (quiza Paco) me
> pudiera ayudar a localizar el testamento para ver si los padres fueron
> listados ahi.
>
>

Daniel,
Can you give examples of documents where is Jasinta is listed as Estrada? That kind of info would really consolidate Bill's suspicion.

Thanks

Jaime

I thought I got it from Jacinta's defuncion record but I guess not, I knowshe was listed as Estrada at least once. IT must be in the recordsofbaptisms for her children. Just this year I started citing and goingback to cite EVERY SINGLE detail in all my records, I had the tendenancyto enter data w/o citing (prob. Laziness) but learned the importance!Now it haunts me to this ver y day when I see records and dont recallwhere I found it. Wont make the same mistake!
Regards,Daniel
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> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 21:29:14 +0000
> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
> Daniel,
> Can you give examples of documents where is Jasinta is listed as Estrada? That kind of info would really consolidate Bill's suspicion.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Jaime

Daniel,

I am guilty too of entering info into my PAF program, and now I am trying to cite my sources. Where in PAF do I enter sources?

Emilie

> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:27:28 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
>
> I thought I got it from Jacinta's defuncion record but I guess not, I knowshe was listed as Estrada at least once. IT must be in the recordsofbaptisms for her children. Just this year I started citing and going back to cite EVERY SINGLE detail in all my records, I had the tendenancy to enter data w/o citing (prob. Laziness) but learned the importance! Now it haunts me to this very day when I see records and dont recall where I found it. Won't make the same mistake!
> Regards,Daniel
>

Hi Emilie,
When you edit a person next to each box on the right side youll find a "S" click on thoseand you can add a new source.
ex.

Name:Sex: BirthPlace: S Christening
Place: S
Regards,Daniel
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> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 16:39:43 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
>
> Daniel,
>
>
>
> I am guilty too of entering info into my PAF program, and now I am trying to cite my sources. Where in PAF do I enter sources?
>
>
>
> Emilie
>
>> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:27:28 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>>
>>
>> I thought I got it from Jacinta's defuncion record but I guess not, I knowshe was listed as Estrada at least once. IT must be in the recordsofbaptisms for her children. Just this year I started citing and going back to cite EVERY SINGLE detail in all my records, I had the tendenancy to enter data w/o citing (prob. Laziness) but learned the importance! Now it haunts me to this very day when I see records and dont recall where I found it. Won't make the same mistake!
>> Regards,Daniel
>>

Daniel,
You were right, Jasinta is listed as "de Hortega i Estrada" in the christening of her son Ignacio. The record reads as follows.

(al margen) Ignacio esp[añol]
En la Villa de Aguascalien[tes] en beinte i nuebe del mes de Agosto año de mil seiscientos i ochenta i cinco en la Parroquial baptise i puse los Santos Olios a Ignacio español de hedad de beinte y siete dias, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Diaz y de Jasinta de Hortega i Estrada, fueron sus padrinos Nicolas de Aguilera y Maria Dias de Anda les adverti las obligaciones y cognacion espiritual y lo firme (rubrica) D. Baltazar Fernando Altamirano de Castilla

I think that with this evidence, Bill's hypothesis is very strong.

Sincerely

Jaime

Phew....thanks!!! you helped me find what I found along time ago!Regards,Daniel

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> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 00:31:08 +0000
> From: alvaradj@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
>
> Daniel,
> You were right, Jasinta is listed as "de Hortega i Estrada" in the christening of her son Ignacio. The record reads as follows.
>
>
>
> (al margen) Ignacio esp[añol]
> En la Villa de Aguascalien[tes] en beinte i nuebe del mes de Agosto año de mil seiscientos i ochenta i cinco en la Parroquial baptise i puse los Santos Olios a Ignacio español de hedad de beinte y siete dias, hijo lexitimo de Joseph Diaz y de Jasinta de Hortega i Estrada, fueron sus padrinos Nicolas de Aguilera y Maria Dias de Anda les adverti las obligaciones y cognacion espiritual y lo firme (rubrica) D. Baltazar Fernando Altamirano de Castilla
>
>
> I think that with this evidence, Bill's hypothesis is very strong.
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
> Jaime

Daniel, Jaime

I don't know who the parents of this Juan de Estrada Bocanegra were but I do
know that he married twice. The first time he married Margarita de Ortega
on 26 Feb 1661 (daughter of Francisco Macías Valadez y Jacinta de Ortega)
and when she died he married María de Laris on 09 Dec 1669. Both weddings
took place in Aguascalientes. This is NOT the same Juan de Estrada
Bocanegra who married Theresa de Sandi on 26 Jun 1657 in Aguascalientes.
They were contemporaries and possibly related.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto"
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega

This only makes sense! In my notes I had listed Jacinta de Ortega II as
Jacinta de Ortega y Estrada so she did appear sometimes as Estrada and/or
Ortega. I was puzzled for while as to who were her parents! Thanks Bill, BTW
do you know who are the parents of this Juan Estrada-Bocanegra? Is this the
same don Juan who married Teresa Carrillo de Sandi?

Regards,Daniel

I am currently studying the Estrada Bocanegra, I have some good info!Bill, thanks for the info, do you have more info on this Maria de Larisor the death date of Margarita de Ortega, I just found her daughterMargarita (II) baptismal date. Apparently, all the Estrada Bocanegrafrom Los Altos and nearby places (Aguascalientes, Zacatecas etc)come from Andres Estrada-Bocanegra and Luisa Flores Rubin.I found that this couple resided in Guadalajara. Then they settledin Los Altos. I might have found a common link between the Enriquez del Castillo and Estrada-Bocanegra family, but I need todo more research. Regards,DanielTo learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:36:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
> Daniel, Jaime
>
> I don't know who the parents of this Juan de Estrada Bocanegra were but I do
> know that he married twice. The first time he married Margarita de Ortega
> on 26 Feb 1661 (daughter of Francisco Macías Valadez y Jacinta de Ortega)
> and when she died he married María de Laris on 09 Dec 1669. Both weddings
> took place in Aguascalientes. This is NOT the same Juan de Estrada
> Bocanegra who married Theresa de Sandi on 26 Jun 1657 in Aguascalientes.
> They were contemporaries and possibly related.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto"
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
>
>
> This only makes sense! In my notes I had listed Jacinta de Ortega II as
> Jacinta de Ortega y Estrada so she did appear sometimes as Estrada and/or
> Ortega. I was puzzled for while as to who were her parents! Thanks Bill, BTW
> do you know who are the parents of this Juan Estrada-Bocanegra? Is this the
> same don Juan who married Teresa Carrillo de Sandi?
>
> Regards,Daniel
>
>

Congratulations. I have been stuck on the estrada bocanegra for years.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:55:57
To: Patty Hoyos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega

I am currently studying the Estrada Bocanegra, I have some good info!Bill, thanks for the info, do you have more info on this Maria de Larisor the death date of Margarita de Ortega, I just found her daughterMargarita (II) baptismal date. Apparently, all the Estrada Bocanegrafrom Los Altos and nearby places (Aguascalientes, Zacatecas etc)come from Andres Estrada-Bocanegra and Luisa Flores Rubin.I found that this couple resided in Guadalajara. Then they settledin Los Altos. I might have found a common link between the Enriquez del Castillo and Estrada-Bocanegra family, but I need todo more research. Regards,DanielTo learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease visit www.mormon.org

> From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:36:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
> Daniel, Jaime
>
> I don't know who the parents of this Juan de Estrada Bocanegra were but I do
> know that he married twice. The first time he married Margarita de Ortega
> on 26 Feb 1661 (daughter of Francisco Macías Valadez y Jacinta de Ortega)
> and when she died he married María de Laris on 09 Dec 1669. Both weddings
> took place in Aguascalientes. This is NOT the same Juan de Estrada
> Bocanegra who married Theresa de Sandi on 26 Jun 1657 in Aguascalientes.
> They were contemporaries and possibly related.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto"
> To: "Patty Hoyos"
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 1:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jasinta de Ortega
>
>
>
> This only makes sense! In my notes I had listed Jacinta de Ortega II as
> Jacinta de Ortega y Estrada so she did appear sometimes as Estrada and/or
> Ortega. I was puzzled for while as to who were her parents! Thanks Bill, BTW
> do you know who are the parents of this Juan Estrada-Bocanegra? Is this the
> same don Juan who married Teresa Carrillo de Sandi?
>
> Regards,Daniel
>
>

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