Dear Maureen,
Have you ever been there? It is soo beautiful. It is also one of the few
places where Native Americans abound...El Valle is about 15 minutes from
Tangancicuaro...and the border between El Valle and Etucuaro is virtually
non-existent. Etucuaro is obviously indigenous, while El Valle is obviously not, and
they have rivalry issues. Bordering El Valle are also two small towns called
San Antonio and Gomez Farias. If you are interested...I can send you some
pictures. El Valle de Guadalupe has an internet site, with some interesting
verbal history that was recorded and some neat pictures.
Wow....You are absolutely right about those family names...very prevalent in
El Valle. Here's what I was able to get from my husband's great aunt, who
by the way is in her mid 80's and is a nun in Jacona, Michoacan where I took a
picture of when it was founded (1520's).
As you can see, there are several Rochas....one through my mother-in-law
side and again through my father'in-law's side. According oral tradition...the
Duartes and Rochas were very prominent...having obtained most of their money
from bootlegging (you can imagine this information did not come from my
in-laws (lol)...rather, it came from other older men.... I can get some
information from my mother-in-law about her Rocha side of the family.....
It is believed that Pedro Ortiz was born in San Antonio, according to my
deceased father-in-law. But newer information revealed that he was born off in
a small ranch.
Juan Duarte who married Maria Rocha....one of their children's names was:
Ramon Duarte who married Amada Valdez (Amada's mom's name was
Socorro)...they had the following:
Faustino
Julio
Cipriano
Francisco
Empidia Duarte Valdez married Pedro Ortiz (my H's ggrandfather)
there was a previous marriage--name nunknow
Raul Ortiz Duarte (born in 1926) married to Maria Madrigal Rocha
Javier Ortiz Madrigal (my H)
Jesus
Jose Guadalupe who married Rutila Cardenas
Ester
Jose Guadalupe
Herminia (the nun)
Efrain
Adelina Duarte
No rush...take your time...
Esperanza
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Dear Esperanza:
I have never been to Mexico at all. Would love to see the pictures. Thank you for the information on the area. so... my husband's ancestors were bootleggers....hmmm. Could explain the attraction as my own grandfather had a speakeasy here in Indiana. LOL.
Well the Rochas certainly were prevalent in Tangancicuaro.
I checked my spreadsheet so far and could not find any of your relations. I did find Ramon Duarte born in 1923, who is the grandson of Guadalupe Bejar. His parents were Juan Duarte and Mercedes Estrada, however his wife was Esperanza Magdalino and date is too early, so the Ramon Duarte in my records is unlikely the same. I have many Maria Rochas, but so far none married to Duarte's, but I still have many records not recorded.
I do not have a Maria Madrigal Rocha yet, but I have a Josefa Madrigal married to a David Rocha with one child so far named Patricio.
I will keep looking and let you know. I have not even scratched the surface of the baptisms I have, I have not entered the confirmations yet, nor any of the marriages, so there is still lots to look through.
Tangancicuaro
Dear Esperanza:
I got up early this morning and worked on my spreadsheet. I found some information on Juan Duarte and Maria Rocha in my file. I will email you the information and if you are interested, when I have time, I will scan the records I have to you. I have not linked them directly to my Rochas, but with time there may be a connection to be found!
Maureen Bejar
Tangancicuaro
Wow....
I did not mean for you to get up early...and to cause you so much
hardship...but if you can...and at your convenience....absolutely..send what you can....
Are your Rocha family relativelt recent ancestors from Jalisco? I am
seriously thinking that Michoacan was a "camino" for those who might have ended up
in Jalisco....it makes sense...particularly because the terrain is so
similar...and the proximity....
Esperanza
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Tangancicuaro
Alas you have no worries about getting me up. It is insomnia, and there are nights when I cannot sleep. Rather than toss and turn trying to get back to sleep, I just get up and work quietly on the computer, so I won't wake everyone else up!
Our Rocha and Bejar relatives would cross over the border to work in the beet fields of Wyoming. When there was rumor that the steel mills needed workers, they headed to Northwest Indiana. This was just before the depression. When the depression hit, the family was deported back to Mexico as there was no work and no way to make a living. I love the border crossings on Ancestry.com as it documents the comings and goings with the verbal family history. It has given me the date of the deportation and now I need to find some time to check the library. I am told that when families were deported, there would have been a posting in the area paper. Some of the children had been born here in the States, but were sent back to Mexico with the rest of the family. Although the children spent the depression years in Mexico, when they became of age, they crossed back over to the States.
Our Jalisco connection is the maternal side of the family tree with the Alviso's and Jaurequi's. The Alviso's crossed over the border and worked picking cotton in New Mexico and parts of Arizona and then fruit in California. They had a farm in Jalisco, but during the 1920's the area became unstable and their livestock and crops were often stolen and the girls were never safe, so they made the decision to come to the States. One of the oldest daughters had already married and come with her husband to Indiana, so the Alviso's also had family in Northwest Indiana. The connection is not in Mexico for the Bejar's and the Alviso's, but in steel mill country!
Give me some time and I will leaf through those records and scan them for you.
Tangancicuaro
Esperanza, like you I find many of the families from Michoacan leaving there in the late 1700's and going to Jalisco. I don't know if it was the economy but I find my ancestors moving from Valle de Guadalupe, Chilchota Michoacan to the Lagos area, then on to Atoyac, Zapotlan El Grande and then on to Tamazula within a 10 year period. I also found many other families including, Alvarez Del Castillo, Gutierrez, Mendez, Valencia, Morfin, Fuentes, Orosco, Amescua, Arias, Baldovino,Magana and Garcia and a host of others from Michocan I can trace who are living in the same parts of Jalisco.
Linda in B.C.
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Wow....
I did not mean for you to get up early...and to cause you so much
hardship...but if you can...and at your convenience....absolutely..send what you can....
Are your Rocha family relativelt recent ancestors from Jalisco? I am
seriously thinking that Michoacan was a "camino" for those who might have ended up
in Jalisco....it makes sense...particularly because the terrain is so
similar...and the proximity....
Esperanza
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